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brown? not black soot on walls and ceiling

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hi there

i have read you advice on the ghost marks and soot stains on walls BUT your info talks about BLACK soot stains.   My walls and ceilings are BROWN or BEIGE.

 

We had a new high efficiency gas furnace installed in June of 2004.   In 2006 we did major cleaning and washed walls and ceilings and repainted the ceilings (everything was brown)  We assumed it was from old gas furnace and the ductwork.

We are both on disability and old age so we havent been able to clean walls and ceilings on a more regular basis but this year the "brown" just drove me nuts and had to start cleaning. ( still doing the one room - taking a week so far bit at a time) and intend on repainting when cleaned.

My question here is  -- is the "brown" same as what you talk about for the "black" soot stains?  Your description for around pictures or anything hanging on the walls all fit. The stain layers are uniform coverage ... not in patches or streaks.  It looks like beige walls and ceilings instead of white that they should be. This is through whole house not just ONE room.

When they installed new furnace they took out the chimney and vented outside.  The ductwork was NOT changed or cleaned at that time. Is it possible this crappy stuff is still coming out of the ductwork?

We never burn candles so that is not an issue.  We do both smoke but in 43 years of living in different places we have never encountered this problem but at this house.( 20 yrs here).  We do not smike in upstairs rooms or kitchen or bedroom yet the walls and ceiling discoloured there also.

Would appreciate your comments on this.
asked in Interior Walls by haydensnana (110 points)
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Hello,
 
smiley I’m referring to black because it is black or some shades of it all the way to light gray. Brown isn’t typical or at least I’ve never seen it, so there has to be some source of that “pigment”.
With this new high efficiency furnace installed a few years ago there are a couple of things that might be responsible for your brownish staining on walls.
 
  1. If you have an old air conditioning coil still attached to this newer furnace; there might be deteriorating coil compartment insulation that is being slowly released into the air and resulting in discoloration of interior wall surfaces. I doubt it… 
     
  2. Lining of the air ducts or air ducts material itself. I don’t know how old is your house, its HVAC air ducts, and how were they designed. I’ve seen many older homes with wall and floor framing used as an air duct (supply and return). 

    Sometimes asbestos based brownish color cardboard or some kind of a paneling board (1/8” – ¼” thickness) was used as a liner or to create an air duct; for example by closing the bottom of the space created by two floor joists and the floor decking on top. I hope asbestos is not your case.
     
  3. Crawlspace air intake or disconnected air duct in an unfinished crawlspace... with maybe something like a clay floor. If you have an unfinished crawlspace and air ducts running through that area, they might be picking up dust (especially if a return duct is open / separated in there) and blowing it through the registers.

    Can you see discoloration, powdery substance on the registers and air filters??? When you rub that discolored wall area with your fingertips, does it feel like a powder and stains your fingertips? 
     
  4. Same as number 3 but with the ducts running through the attic and sucking in some brownish insulation dust. 
     
  5. Exterior air intake. Some forced air HVAC systems are designed with an exterior air intake which should be controlled by a damper. They are designed to improve ventilation in air tight homes, increase air exchanges, and minimize the possibility of Carbon Monoxide poisoning. If there is such system installed in your home there would be a question of pollution in that particular area.
     
  6. Smoking is still one of the possibilities, even if there were no prior issues with it. It might be responsible for staining because of a different paint used on surfaces (one that reacts with smoke). Or maybe your previous homes had better insulation installed inside exterior walls / on top of the ceiling and staining wasn’t that obvious. 
However, i believe that you would have to be a heavy smoker to cause noticeable discoloration / staining of the interior surfaces. With forced air systems it doesn’t really matter where you smoke because the air is constantly circulating. 
 
You can start investigating by installing some white color air filter. If the filter turns brownish after a couple of weeks there must be something that causes discoloration inside the house or between the air intake and the filter. Can’t say much more about it because I don’t know your HVAC system’s configuration (where is the filter located, returns, etc.).
 
If there’s no discoloration on the filer, try to put facial tissues under the air supplying registers, and monitor their color… plus all the other stuff from 1 to 6. If you can somehow collect this brownish substance (stained tissue, filter, or swabs from the wall surface) you might have it lab tested to determine what's in it.
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answered by darekrudy (21,730 points)
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